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Pressure bars - buon caffe - espresso Topic: Pressure bars - buon caffe - espresso (20 msgs / 370 lines) 1) From: sszretter Reading about pressure bars got me thinking - I have a buon caffe model 310, and am not sure how decent of a machine it is, and how many pressure bars it has which I guess is important for making espresso. So, does anyone out there have an opinion of this machine, and/or know what the rating is for pressure bars or other important factors? I am trying to decide if I should purchase a new machine, or if my current machine is good enough. 2) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ScottKou=E9?= Your machine uses steam to push the water through the grounds, sort of like a moka pot. Mine never made espresso that I really liked. I found pump models made MUCH better tasting cups. A lot of folks on this list have some really pricey machines (one of these days I hope to also) but mine is a Krups Gusto and ran about $70, which is pretty cheap for a pump.
Now I wasn't home roasting when I had the 310 so that was probably part of the problem but I did notice a really big flavor difference with the pump. THe Gusto is supposedly 15 bar (but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
The 310 probably doesn't go much over 3-4bar. A 'bar' FYI is one atmosphere so 15 bar is around 225 psi and 4 would be around 60 psi. SK On Feb 16, 2005, at 3:55 PM, homeroast-request wrote: 3) From: sszretter Thank You, very helpful. So any more recommendations on a espresso machine that is priced at most say $150? I might be able to go as high as $200, but the cheaper the better for convincing my wife. 4) From: Jared Andersson I know you asked about an espresso machine but if I were in your shoes I think I would get a Zass grinder and one of the great Moka pots Tom sells. Even with my fancy espresso machine I think the Moka pot fits the cheap, easy, convenient and consistent quality factors my wife values.
Plus it tastes great. Jared On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:58:53 -0500, sszretter wrote: 5) From: Gary Townsend An Espresso machine for under $150. I bought a Gaggia 'no frills' Espresso machine thru eBay, 6 mo.
Warranty, and I picked it up for $117.50. It's a very capable machine, and like it or not, you have to buy a great grinder to make great espresso. I dove in and bought a Rocky from SweetMaria's and it has been my best friend every morning since I bought it. Then I did a lot of research on the web. For the $, The Gaggia line up ( Espresso, Coffee, Baby and Classic) are good entry level machines.
If I could afford a better machine, I'd go for a really nice one.a Livia 90, or an Exobar Brewtus. Maybe I'll strike it rich with my income taxes, and get me a dream machine. But I'll have to contemplate on just how much more espresso one get's with a machine that's 10 to 15 X the price of my current set up. If I can justify that purchase with my little lady, then I'll go for it! Gary 6) From: Edward Spiegel At 7:21 PM -0600 2/17/05, Jared Andersson wrote: But if you really want espresso, a moka pot while tasty won't fit the bill any more than a french press would. The low-end Gaggia machines can be had for under $200 and will do a nice job.
Some people have found that the recently manufactured ones don't last as long as the ones made in the late 80's (I had one for 10 years and my brother has had one for 12). Rancilio used to have a machine under $200 but I think it has been discontinued.
You will need a grinder capable of grinding for an espresso machine. The Rancilio Rocky and the Gaggia MDF are very similar as far as grind quality but the Gaggia MDF (which can be had for about $100 less than the Rocky) has a doser that is a pain - although I have gotten used to it. There are many on the list using Zassenhaus hand grinders for their espresso machines. Best, Edward 7) From: Les Jared is right on target here!
If I only had two hundred to spend I would go Jared's route. Pecan Jim's by-line is espresso 101's 1st lesson. The espresso machine is an accessory to the grinder not the other way around.
Espresso 101 lesson 2 is the more you pay for the machine, the easier it is to make a great shot. Machines like the Krups and Delonghi can make great shots. However, a double is going to be about 1-1.5 oz not 2-2.5 oz. You better stop right at 25 seconds 20-22 is better because the temp is dropping like a rock off a building. What you get with an expensive machine is stability and power plain and simple. Save your money so you don't have to go through upgrade fever! Watch the sales from the different folks who specialize in selling machines.
If I couldn't help myself, I would get the Gaggia Espresso and Zass 169 DG total cost is $100.00 more than you want to spend about $300.00. My minimum setup would be a Rancilio Miss Silvia or Gaggia Classic (about the same price) and a Rancilio Rocky total cost $800.00. Way over your limit.
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The best buy to prevent upgrade fever would be an Expobar Office Pulsar ($879.00) and a Mazzer Mini (399.00) from Tom. So with goodies you are looking at about $1300.00 to get setup without having upgrade fever. That said, I would really like a double boiler setup some day. So I am looking at an Expobar Brewtus at $1,499.00 or the LaSpaziale S1 at $1,895.00. Now that I have said all of that if you are patient and know what you are looking for and who you are buying from there are some awesome used deals out there. The going rate for my outfit new would be $1745.00.
I have $450.00 invested. Patience does pay off. Les On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:21:11 -0600, Jared Andersson wrote: 8) From: Frank Haist Les, excellent advice. Another reason that patience may be rewarded is that if you are thinking about going for a new setup, prices for good machines are a bit high due to the exchange rate. So if the dollar gets a bit stronger against the Euro, it might be easier to find deal on a new Silvia, for example. If you try to price compare across vendors now, there is almost no give, and the prices for lightly used 'buyers remorse' machines are only about $50 or $60 below new (with a much reduced warranty). Also, if you find a great deal on a double boiler system, please let me know.;-) -Frank Les wrote: 9) From: Frank Haist Naive, maybe.
Been called worse.;-) Optimistic, maybe also. I didn't mean the price would necessarily drop, at least the adverstised price. But there would be room for some negotiation, as there is none now. Somewhere in the stream the price will drop and that can translate to some flexibility in price. Angelo wrote: 10) From: John Blumel On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:54am, Angelo wrote: It also seems improbable that the dollar will get significantly stronger any time soon.
John Blumel 11) From: Zara Haimo If you can find a Krups Gusto on eBay anywhere, grab it. It's an under $100 machine that produces real espresso. Paired with a Zass grinder, the whole setup won't cost you $150 and will give great results. 12) From: Brett Mason Naivete be damned. My son goes to school in Canada. Now I'm not saying this behooves me, but the cost per year is lower, because the dollar is higher. Maybe someday you can see that if the dollar gets stronger the prices will drop.
In my case it's just a many thousand dollar education, but who's counting? I guess I got lucky Angelo. Brett On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:54:40 -0500, Angelo wrote: - Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast (( ) Please don't spill the coffee! 13) From: Brett Mason Go on, buy gold and move to someplace better. Leave this place for us. Brett On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 01:39:40 -0500, John Blumel wrote: - Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast (( ) Please don't spill the coffee!
14) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach On Feb 17, 2005, at 9:38 PM, Les wrote: Les, I seem to recall that he just got a Zass. Jim 'The espresso machine is an accessory to the grinder, not the other way around.' 15) From: Tom Ulmer And who exactly is 'us'? Admin On Behalf Of Brett Mason Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:46 AM To: homeroast Subject: Re: +Pressure bars - buon caffe - espresso Go on, buy gold and move to someplace better.
Leave this place for us. Brett On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 01:39:40 -0500, John Blumel wrote: unsvbscribes) go to - Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast (( ) Please don't spill the coffee! 16) From: Gene Smith There is one on ebay at the moment for $0.99 and only one bidder. One should.always. check the shipping/handling price before bidding, of course. The 99cent one shows a very reasonable fifteen bucks for S&H.
The one just above it at a much higher price showed 25 bucks for UPS ground when I punched my zip code in. Gene Smith riding the wild learning curve, in Houston 17) From: Gene Smith Gosh, Brett.were you worried that no one would ever understand why John rags on you? And in case you can't understand why anyone would take umbrage with this post, let me rephrase it for you and see if you like it: If you don't like diversity, digression and dissent.why don't you move someplace better?
Did you enjoy being categorized and rejected out of hand? It may come as a shock, but the 'us' you casually propose to share an 'intellectually cleansed' nation with may be a lot smaller than you think. Gene Smith riding the wild learning curve, in Houston 18) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ScottKou=E9?= First what is that 'America love it or leave it BS', and second have you got some great info the rest of the world doesn't because nobody else in the world thinks the dollar is going to pick up soon. And what part of that condition has anything to do with going somewhere 'better'? The condition of the dollar may have something to do with a basic lack of economic understanding in some key positions or in may have nothing to do with that, but it isn't a comment on America it's a fact of life. SK On Feb 18, 2005, at 6:31 AM, homeroast-request wrote: 19) From: Angelo I think that it's naive to think that if the dollar gets stronger, the prices will drop.I've never seen it happen. I remember when there was a drought, or some such 'disaster' in Brazil and the local roastery 'had to ' raise their prices.
Since then, there has been a decrease in coffee prices, yet the prices continue to climb. Greed is a wonderful thing. 20) From: Angelo I guess it was only a matter of time before the old, 'Love it or leave it' bumper-sticker mentality raised it's head.